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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2014.05.12 14:18:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:
"which group of irrational racist zealots would you rather hang out with?"
Strikes me that the only correct answer to that question is "neither".
With the use of prejudiced, stereotypical, sweeping generalizations like that why would anyone take IGS commentary seriously.
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1524
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Posted - 2014.05.12 15:26:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Are you suggesting that the STPRO and 24th don't contain any irrational and racist zealots?
Are you saying that if an apple and orange are both classified as fruits, they are then exactly the same?
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2014.05.12 16:14:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:For the purposes of deciding what not to include in a selection of cheeses, they might as well be. That's beside the point.
The point is that of course both militias DO contain their share of irrational racist zealots, as do the FDU and TLF. And given that Desiderya's implication was that you transferred from the STPRO to the 24th so as to get away from the, quote: "ex-Provists and assorted madmen", my point was that this approach is rather like swapping beer for wine. Different though those two drinks may be, they'll both still give you a hangover.
although that's maybe not a toxic enough analogy. Let's compare... hmm... strychnine and a ball of enriched uranium. Wildly different though they may be, prolonged contact with either one is not a good idea.
If your objective is to escape the company of madmen, then seeking the company of different madmen does not accomplish that objective.
And yet this still doesn't change that in my opinion, calling the entirety of the 24IC, irrational, racist, zealots constitutes what I consider to be no less prejudiced, stereotypical, or a generalization as much as something like, say, Diana Kim would say. To borrow your own analogy it's much like the choice between whether I'd prefer a cyanide pill or an organo-phosphate shower as to reading the thought and opinion of either yourself or Diana Kim.
That's okay though, this is the IGS and reading the same old prejudiced crap from one or another is the expected norm I'd say.
And a tip, I know it doesn't translate well in text, but if you didn't know Desiderya can have a penchant for sarcasm, then you do now.
Also since it might be relevant:
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:42:00 -
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Stitcher wrote: Your opinion would be an entirely valid criticism if I had in fact thus accused the entire 24IC.
Then what point are you trying to make with comments such as:
Stitcher wrote:Are you suggesting that the STPRO and 24th don't contain any irrational and racist zealots?
Or
Stitcher wrote: The point is that of course both militias DO contain their share of irrational racist zealots, as do the FDU and TLF.
Exactly?
I find it remarkably disingenuous to at one moment, remark with the implications that the entirety of the 24IC are, "irrational and racist zealots" in the context of my own corporation transferring its military contracts from the STPRO to the 24IC. To then attempt a hand at the flawed logic of, that there may be some, "irrational and racist zealots," in the 24IC then all of the 24IC must be held to the same standard. Then suddenly, now, you aren't accusing the 24IC at all!
Honestly, if you're going to peddle a bicycle, at least try going forwards, not backwards, dear. |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 04:53:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:If it means anything, I support Aldrith's program. Not all of service to the Empire is taking slaves and burning worlds. They do good and a Kameira's place is among them.
I would go into his service would I not have been a capsuleer.
Given that the Kameiras are, I believe, used as initial vanguard and shock assault units in Imperial military doctrines against the enemies of the Empire, it's odd that you would be so vehement in support of the Republic.
Identity crisis?
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1551
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Posted - 2014.05.18 05:51:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:None whatsoever.
I do not support the enslavement of my people under any circumstances and will see them free by any means. even peaceful ones believe it or not. Though I do not hold hope that will happen.
But we Kameiras are not like Matari. It is not who we were meant to be or become.
It is often I wish I had not become a capsuleer, that I could return to something as simple as guarding colony worlds from attack. Every one of us should have that chance. Not just Kameiras but slaves too. The Mandate is not an evil thing and neither are the Matari who choose to not live in the republic, we will change them as much as they have changed us in the end.
Am I to take it that you support the Matari rebellion as armed resistance against slavery while also supporting the assimilation of the Matari into the faith of the Empire and Mandate that espouses slavery?
Ayallah wrote:The only time I ever felt conflicted about what I was doing was when I flew under you.
I can have that effect on people, yes. In the end though I have little interest in personal placating.
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1551
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Posted - 2014.05.18 08:19:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:I have nothing at all negative to say about the Amarrian religion and have not.
The people who use it to control others however.
And I do not need to be placated to, very far from it. But I will not bend my spine like a willow in the wind to accomplish my goals.
Where did I state you had anything negative to say about the Amarrian religion? I am seeking clarification on your contradicting stance where, on the one had you express your desire to have remained a Kameiras while on the other a staunch opposition towards the Imperial system of slavery. Now, an Amarrian Holder might tell me if this is not the case, but the Kameiras training is not delivered to a free citizen, it is delivered to slaves, and specifically Minmatar slaves. Now this would nominally mean that you were a former slave as a Kameiras. As such when you state an opposition to slavery and then a desire to be a Kameiras then that is essentially equivalent to: "I oppose slavery but given the opportunity I would accept enslavement."
Where then is the connexion between an abolitionist and anti-establishment stance as far as the Empire is concerned and the Kameiras programs that are functional only under a system of religious slavery and the involvement of the feudal-military establishment of the Amarr Empire?
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1552
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Posted - 2014.05.18 14:06:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:
Kameiras are not slaves.
Ah, so it's a voluntary program these days open to free citizens of the Empire? What's the age of enlistment set at by the way and are there also Amarrian, Khanid, and Ni-Kunni, Kameiras now?
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1554
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Posted - 2014.05.19 02:09:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Ah, so it's a voluntary program these days open to free citizens of the Empire? What's the age of enlistment set at by the way and are there also Amarrian, Khanid, and Ni-Kunni, Kameiras now? You are never content with the simple answer. Just because we are born into it does not make it slavery, Holders are born to their stations.
Yes, and so are Syrikos Hounds born a Syrikos Hound. A fate they perhaps share with the Kameiras is that without a master to provide them guidance they are liable to bark howling mad at the moon as much as chase their own tail in confusion.
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:07:00 -
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Ayallah wrote: So it is not answers you want but to weakly attempt to once again throw a barbed remark or statement with the intent of ...what? Hurting feelings? Disenfranchising or harming reputation in some way?
No doubt you will follow up with how you were just idly commenting and meant nothing by it. Or maybe, you will get to the point already.
I already got to the point dear, but I fear while your Kameiras training might have taught you much it failed to inculcate adequate reading comprehension. What you appear to see as a barbed remarks are nothing of the sort for I spare them only for opponents I would consider of intelligence or importance - and in which I consider you having failed both criteria. No barbs but rather what I would say was rather blatant derision. Deserved I would say if only when having read the following:
Ayallah wrote: You used the word faith so I assumed your objections were religious in nature. i.e. that slavery is a logical outcome of the Amarrian faith, which it is not.
Because discussion based solely on assumption and not what is said is worthy only of flippant disregard.
Now that said, my curiosity as to the correlations with former Kameiras and their appearing in the Republic has already been satiated by another party with knowledge on the matter. I suppose it really was as simple as it being either those rejected from the program or those with so little Faith in the Empire, so your value has expired.
As for an interest in disenfranchising or harming your reputation in some way, I really wouldn't have much interest since you appear to be more than competent in that regard already. |
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2014.05.22 09:34:21 -
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Personally I've always wondered at some of the stereotypes that surround the progeny of the Tube Child program. That they all grow up to become cold, distant, emotionless types prone to violent sociopathic behaviour or ambitious and cynical scheming. As a tube child myself I can often feel offended, since I don't see myself as any of those things at all. |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1659
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Posted - 2014.05.24 09:22:24 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Personally I've always wondered at some of the stereotypes that surround the progeny of the Tube Child program. That they all grow up to become cold, distant, emotionless types prone to violent sociopathic behaviour or ambitious and cynical scheming. As a tube child myself I can often feel offended, since I don't see myself as any of those things at all. That's part of the problem with sociopaths, they never see themselves as one. 
Well I'm certainly no psychologist so I really wouldn't know if I fit the criteria or not myself. I certainly feel rather happy and well-adjusted to my present infomorph condition. Then again if others might see me as a sociopath given my present work and the fact I don't tend to say, "Press like if you cry every time you destroy a spaceship," on the IGS, then that is something I do not think I can change nor have an interest to do so. |
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